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Grammar · May 10, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

hmmm...

I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?

From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.

I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts.

XvArchonvX · May 10, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Grammar

hmmm...

I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?

From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.

I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts.

Breaking your animation when using barrage does not mean you have a lower attack speed. There have been numerous tests on bows along with their dps in conjunction with Barrage (Snipious can attest to this, as he has carried out many of these). The results that have generally agreed upon is that a Flatbow or shortbow will give the highest dps when used alone and a hornbow gives the best dps with an IAS as Snipious said in his post.

Starfire Crystalite · May 10, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

ZEALOUS BOWS FTW...i always use a zealous bow for all of my ranger builds anyway though

Lurid · May 10, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Honestly zealous bows seem very useless, I mean you have expertise for a reason. Might aswell get some extra DPS out of your bow.

SnipiousMax · May 10, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Grammar

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I think you were the one that brought this up last time we had a Barrage/Bow question, and the response is the same. The break in attack animation is not enough to slow down a flat/short bow sufficiently that a more 'in sync' bow will out preform them. I've lost the links to the threads where we tested this, but it's not that hard to try it out on your own.

Kas · May 10, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

<3 Cold based bows on a R/D

Lourens · May 10, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Lissen to the pro ranger

If you have a flatbow you might have some energy problems cuase the fire speed

But if u carry a Hornbow u wont have energy problems because it fires slower
and the 10% AP will let u make the same amount of damage as a flatbow

So the Mursaat Hornbow isnt a bad bow at all

Hope this helps

Sir Mad · May 10, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Am I the only kamikaze who went for r3 survivor with a vamp shortbow here?

Concerning the energy problem, assuming you go with 9 expertise, your energy concerns depends on how often you use your "secondary" skills, especially Savage Shot. if you spam it as soon as it recharges, which I use to do most of the time, then you will have energy problems and some kind of zealous bow in another slot is welcome. But if you keep spamming barrage all the time and use savage/distracting one time per fight or so then you cannot run out of energy (provided you're not weakened, QZ isnt up, you're not fighting those annoying spirit shackles thingies in North kryta, etc).

Otherwise, yeah hornbow with an IAS, flatbow without (with a long/composite bow fir when FW is down) or just.... a shortbow.

EDIT - Lourens: flatbows without an IAS do have a higher DPS than hornbows.

Eldin · May 11, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

I use Elswyth's Recurve Bow.

Though I'd say any sort of vampiric bow would work.

eat-mcdonalds-and-die · May 12, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?

Winston · May 14, 2007, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by eat-mcdonalds-and-die

how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?

The 'Rodgort Ranger' is alot of fun, but uses alot of energy so a Glyph of some sort and as high Expertise as possible is good.

To OP, I primarily use a Vamp Flatbow for Barraging and Sundering Longbow (Storm Bow, just for the skin really) for general use and a bit of barraging. Probably going to put a Fiery on the Storm Bow as I feel it is more usefull than sundering.

- Nixo - · May 14, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Im Playing a Splinter Barrager alot, but then is still dont need a zealous bow that often. I have it in my second slot so if im low ill take it with the +5 energy inherent mod. Most of the time the fight is over before my energy runs out so i can regen. Conclusion: Zealous is only needed for backup.

Nico

Cirian · May 14, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by Firestone

For Ranger secondary (2e pip): Tell me again.. why are u making a barrager? o.0;

Hmm... Paragon/Ranger with Zealous Anthem and adrenal shouts for e-man?

Ya never know..!

samcobra · May 14, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27

i'd go with a vamp bow of some sort. of course, as a ranger, you should be able to interrupt shit, so a recurve is nice, even though aftercast on barrage = teh suxxors for interrupt. Either way, vamp bows are amazing dps. As for conjure, you can def. conjure with a vamp bow, just bring conflrag

Kaleban · May 18, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

So something like Vah's Hornbow while under an IAS is pefect?

I'm building a ranger atm, and will probably Barrage at some point lol. I've got a nice inscribeable Azure Recurve I was thinking of making my "interrupt" bow, then grabbing a short bow of some sort for Barraging. Tundoss's bow seems like a good choice for a barrage short bow.

But with the speed of enemies in HM, I'm loathe to use innacurate bows. Should one look at bows and judge them only on their merits, or take into account skills like FW? Seems to me that the Recurve would be best in most any situation, given its range being larger than the aggro circle, having the best accuracy, and being only 0.4 seconds slower than the short/flat. I guess the question is that for the general player (PvE), are the differences THAT noticeable, or does human reaction time and/or server lag sort of equalize out the differences?

Marverick · May 19, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by eat-mcdonalds-and-die

how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?

Yea but then you won't benefit from Orders.
And Burning is better left off to SF eles or Paragons and stuff.